Once you have applied all your decals, and if you have done it correctly, they should now have the appearance of being painted on. I think I’ll test Wet-sand a small section of the decal with 2000 grit sand paper to see how it does and then apply two or three more coats of lacquer clear over it and hopefully it will be smooth enough for me to use compound and then wax over it. Messages: 3,786. Gassing Station | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff. They are lifting in just a couple of places where the sticker is quite narrow. When you add decals to your motorcycle or other vehicle as décor, you will want to add a clear coat over the top of the decal. If you're using a spray can, I'd wait overnight. The decals are not fuel proof or dope proof! Emporio Clear PU Finishes are used to protect wood while retaining its original grains by … If you lacquer too soon after sticking them on, the solvents in the paint can react with the solvents in the glue and you will find the transfers start to bubble. Time for clear coats of lacquer to cover the decal. I purchased decals from DRATV. I tend to spray a couple of light coat and then go for a couple of wet coat. For my second attempt, I did a little more research into the decals. I want to be able to polish the clear coat a little ultimately. Repeat the above steps for each new decal. I cant even decide once the decals are on as the body needs masking for flat black areas so if i decal first id have to mask over decals. Very helpful, and underlines how little I know about this process. Shellac has the ability to stick to even polished metal, and will make a barrier between the decal and the nitro, sticking to both. I’ve seen mixed information, and am now a bit concerned that the lacquer may react with the decals and it’ll look rubbish. Can use a chemical striper like Jasco (not sure what the equivalent is here in the UK) or sandpaper. Any tips why? Lacquer first, then enamel or acrylic. Brush decal softener onto the decal. You want the lacquer … Graemevw77; Topic Author; Offline; Born to be Wild Posts: 95 ; Likes received: 35 ; The shiny decals thing i hadnt really thought about, but the real cars stripes are shiny. Thanks Jim If decal is in a wear area just cover in heli tape to protect. Fresh Goods Friday 530 – Well Hello 2021! ... Over decals I use gloss coat 1st, to give a little thicker layer to blend any decal film that might be visible. Pretty much have to do the whole frame to get it to lock right. Just to add I got decals from Gil m(used him for couple of years) decals of high quality and lacquer friendly.. If it does move, quickly realign it with your hobby knife before the solution starts to work. Page 2 of 4 - Spraying clear over decals - how? DK Decals DKD32011 1/32 de Havilland B-36 Mosquito in CzAF1. View fullsize. ... Custom-designed decals, lettering, and wraps serve to distinguish your company’s vehicle — advertising your business and building name recognition everywhere you go, like a mobile billboard. Maybe the paint is too hot? I am making a table. Most bike manufacturers only lacquer over the tank transfers, the rest are applied after paint. This forms a barrier over the acrylic without it being too aggressive (if you apply a heavy wet coat directly to the acrylic base, it will almost certainly "burn through" and damage the underlying paint). Ideally, you should leave them for at least a week, but I've lacquered after a day and most of the time it'll be fine. Link Removal Can you lacquer over vinyl stickers? Do I have to lacquer decals? The versatility of it is astonishing and the possibilities are endless. ... Service Location Provided: all over india. Thin factory applied transfer type decals have to be lacquered* as this “fixes” them as they would scratch off very easily.*AFAIK. Xoso. Bonus Giveaway Day! Types Of Paints: Lacquer Based Automobile Paints. From what I read it is best to apply the decals before applying the topcoat. Login/cookie issues? Now put two coats of shellac over the decal to protect it from the lacquer. Dont rush that 32 Related Question Answers Found Placing your decal into too warm/hot water can over activate the adhesive making it feel a bit slimy and you decal paper a bit flimsy. Allow to completely dry. Should I try to spray a couple of light coats then … There are two techniques: 1) Strip off the clearcoat. If you print decals from an inkjet printer and don't do a few light sprays to seal the decal, you run the risk of the ink running or leaching out ruining your nice decal. How complex are the decals? Lacquer primer; it can be gray, white, or oxide red, depending on the final coats. Using a cooler temperature water such as room temperature or lukewarm water is ideal for a better outcome. Our vinyl decals have a great durability as is. Once the decal is dry and exactly where you want it, take your decal softener such as Mr. Mark Softer and brush it all over the decal, making sure it doesn’t move. DK Decals DKD32010 1/32 Republic P-47D Thunderbolt over the Pacific, Pt.1 $33.22 Extra 3% off today! Varnishing the self sticking decals isnt a neccessity of course - all personal choice. The Dupli-Color Perfect Match clear coat says it is a fast drying acrylic lacquer. But the decals are really good quality and adhere well so no reason they won’t look good for a long time without lacquer .. My frame/fork were left in drying oven but not a clue if low temp etc.. ? read more... Innmats Private Limited. Forum Rules Location: Pan India. Personally, I don't like anything glossy looking, so I'll put down a good dull coat over everything. Either just over the decals or on the whole frame. Member: Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 265 Location: Glens Falls, N.Y. USA Can you spray lacquer directly over a decal? Post subject: Lacquer over Decal? If you intend to lacquer over our motorcycle decals do not use any abrasives like Scotchbright pads etc. Yes mine are single colour vinyl and Gil did say no need to lacquer .. Too late now but I provided MJT with custom water slide decals and they applied them. I usually thin it with some Tamiya lacquer thinner 1 to 1 and a few drops of retarder. The instructions also state "Using an enamel clear coat such as Krylon or Rust-o-leum may cause damage to the decal." The decals would have looked great, but I just don’t think I want to risk it. I assume based on my experience that the decals will last as long as they are supposed to, or longer, because of having a coat of clear paint or lacquer applied over them. ... Keep repeating this process allowing plenty of time for the lacquer to harden in between taking care not to rub into the decal of course . Smacking on heavy coats straight away can damage and wrinkle the decal. If you use solvent or petrolium based liquids there is a strong chance you will destroy the decal! For good decals, gloss coat, apply the decals, then gloss coat again. Can then peel off (whats left of - if sanding) decals … If I were doing it I would probably go with something like lacquer or shellac that would adhere the decal. Thin factory applied transfer type decals have to be lacquered* as this “fixes” them as they would scratch off very easily.*AFAIK. DO NOT spray on a heavy coat over the decal as this will blister and/or dissolve the decal! What you need to do is flat it as I show in the demo. Unless i clear it enough to bury the decals so i can flat it … Privacy I put down about 3 coats of Tru oil and the applied my water slide. Can you lacquer over vinyl stickers? I don't see any difference between the two, maybe time will tell. FOR DECALS - the safest way to nitro over a decal, is to use shellac as an intermediate coat. I’m hesitating now as the decals I have are quite intricate in places and some of the thinner sections are lifting (especially where they follow a line or curve on the frame). If you are using enamel clear coat, automotive clear coat, acrylic clear coat, urethane or lacquer you must first use a thinned out coat. - posted in Master classes: Hi Anthony, I agree with most of the comments above. You want to just ‘mist’ the lacquer on. Address:2-5 samarpan complex JAY JAGANNATH MULTITRADE PVT LTD Because the film is so thin, it’s possible to apply clear lacquer over it without any noticeable bumps or raised sections at its edges. Well personally, unless it’s absolutely necessary, I see no reason to clear over the top of vinyl decals. There are only a few common mistakes to avoid that will help make using waterslide easy for you. We’re using a wood, ceramic, and a plastic material here. Then Dullcote after the Glosscote dries. Do not use panel wipes that contain toluene as again, this will damage the printing. Put the transfers on at least a week before you apply the final coats of lacquer because the adheasive solvent may evaporate under the paint and make it bubble up or react. Decals and Wall Stickers; Kids Theme Stencils; Kids Magnetic Wall Themes; Paints to Create Kids Themes; Paints for Kids Decor & Furniture; Blog; Download Catalogs; Compare Products ; Search. ... the … Does Tru-oil count as an acceptable coating to apply the decal to or should I try to lacquer over the tru-oil first (if that's even possible) xoso, Apr 15, 2013 #7. inkedintville Senior Stratmaster. 1/ Once the surface of the headstock is prepared remove the protective tissue over the Decal and trim the Decal as required – there is picture showing trimming a logo below. Spray a few coats, wait a couple of days and sand it flat so there are no dips or … Them did about another 3 coats. crankbrothers BOA shoes! I think Testors makes a decal sealer but you can use regular "rattle can" lacquer. Now paint over the decal with decal solution before pressing down on it with a moist paper towel. Then applied a nice coat to get the gloss effect, this seemed to be much better and no reaction from the decals at all . Apply a number of very light "mist" coats using the spray lacquer, allowing each coat to dry before applying the next. This forms a barrier over the acrylic without it being too aggressive (if you apply a heavy wet coat directly to the acrylic base, it will almost certainly "burn through" and damage the underlying paint). With your finger and thumb gently rub the top of the decal against … ... • #6. pip. if you did that with the lacquer surely you'd just end up with patchy laquer on the frame... and that'd just look horrendous. That's been almost three years ago … ... And because I'm inclined to put decals over windows when I'm designing a livery, I even spray the windows with TS13. one of the flaws with a self coloured vinyl, it will be between 0.8 – 0.6 micron in thickness so will always have an “edge” to it, not really ideal for thin line work or small text, but fine for 2-3mm and above if not in high wear areas, certainly know of one frame refinished who regularly bakes my decals but I only use Cast vinyl and this makes a big difference – always go with a cast vinyl over a calendered if you get an option – a little thinner and more stable at higher temperatures, with better adhesion. James I have sprayed lacquer over vinyl lettering for a sign and had no issues placing the vinyl directly on the stained wood, then spraying over the top. The second body i applied 2 thin mist like coats to begin with and let fully dry for 24 hours minimum. Newsletter Settings, Viewing 11 posts - 1 through 11 (of 11 total), Premier Partners for Singletrack issues & exclusive subscriber perks, Metcheck MTB Weather Forecasts At A Glance, Singletrack Cycle Of Good Inner Tube Belt, Singletrack Lockdown 2020 426ml Coffee Mug. Either completely flat or semi-gloss. Yes. From here, you can either leave the model with a gloss finish, or apply some weathering techniques. Yes, the lacquer could easily destroy the underlying acrylic. Once the decal is dry and exactly where you want it, take your decal softener such as Mr. Mark Softer and brush it all over the decal, making sure it doesn’t move. 1) Strip off the clearcoat. After you have sealed the decal with thin coats you may apply a heavier coat if you want. Im painting my RGV 250 motorcycle and im wondering about what stage the decals should be put on?I want to lacquer over them.Usually if you put the … © 2021 Pistonheads Holdco Limited, All Rights Reserved. Laserjet printers are not as prone to this. The rule has ALWAYS been acrylic (water-based) over enamel over lacquer but not the reverse. The paint did blister up when sprayed over old enamel paint. Build over it using the same and then poly over for increased resistance to the elements. The frame is now ready for final clear-coating. Step 1 Also, don't cut your decals out before you spray them. Thanks for the replies.I wasn't aware you had to wait so long,glad i asked now.I'm sort of split between lacquering over them or not.If i was to sell it maybe people would think it would be a half arsed way of doing it if i 'didn't' lacquer over the decals,or maybe they would think it was more convenient 'not' to have them covered so they were easily replacable?. After the decal steps are finished, the locomotive can be lightly weathered as desired. Can then peel … Waterslide decal paper is an amazing product to work with. Lacquer over vinyl sticker? read more... Sparsh Digital. Either just over the decals or on the whole frame. Start the stroke some distance before and end some disctance after the surface to get an even finish. Printing on the While there are certainly lacquer based coatings on some craft papers, many decal papers being sold have non-lacquer based coatings that are used to improve adhesion of various printer inks. You can seal these all different ways, depending on what you’re going to use the project for. If it does move, quickly realign it with your hobby knife before the solution starts to work. I dont normally but as the decals are 40 years old im slightly concerned about how sticky they may be. The decal's edges may stick to … to key the surface of the decal, this will damage the printing. WWII German Helmet Decal - Water Transfer (Face Up), to Face Down (lacquer applied) Instructions: We only recommend using acrylic varnish, acrylic resins or acrylic adhesives on our decals. Check that the decal is securely stuck all over. The decal will be dissolved by the lacquer and become part of it when dry. How To Seal Vinyl Decals. See the section headed “Yellowing the headstock face”. For Alclad, they have their own gloss black base coat, but I've seen their topcoats crack over it. I have had good luck using spray Lacquer in place of shellac as well. If that is not to be done because the frame is already fully finished, then we strongly recommend that you apply clear lacquer locally over the decal to ensure that it is protected from solvents in cleaners or polishes that might affect the inks. If i do the flat black first id have to mask super neatly again to clear over the decals if they needed it. Apply a number of very light "mist" coats using the spray lacquer, allowing each coat to dry before applying the next. Does anyone know if you can spray Lacquer clear finish over acrylic paint? Premier Club So if thats your worry, just stick them on when the paint job is finished. A good overcoat of lacquer maybe the thing to hold them down, but I’m worried that they’ll still lift and I’ll be left with a horrid mess. There is always more than one way to defur … If you're going to lacquer over the decals, you need to leave them for as long as possible after applying. I use lacquer thinner and an airbrush, and it dries immediately. Hope this helps.. Waterslide decals are a means of applying a professional logo to the surface. Posted: Aug Wed 10, 2005 6:12 am . Most of the vinyl we use is Oracal 651 series 6-year (or better); it’s … I assume based on my experience that the decals will last as long as they are supposed to, or longer, because of having a coat of clear paint or lacquer applied over them. I want the decals to look painted on so it shouldn’t show decal edges. Or maybe there is no just right, and you'll ruin the whole thing. Im tempted to try and paint the stripes, but that may be a bit extreme, too much chance to get it wrong. Im painting my RGV 250 and im wondering about what stage the decals should be put on?I want to lacquer over them.Usually if you put the base coat on you wait a certain amount of time then put the lacquer on,when is it safe to put the decals on? I think Testors makes a decal sealer but you can use regular "rattle can" lacquer. The topic ‘Lacquer over decals (or not)?’ is closed to new replies. Do not use panel wipes that contain toluene as again, this will damage the printing. Posted: Dec Mon 20, 2004 3:23 am . 1 year 3 weeks ago #57479. I then I apply orange shellac over the decal (over the entire cabinet) to tint as preferred. Lacquer would make the transfers more durable but if you get bored of the colour scheme they will be an arse to remove. I have a Chinese carbon glossy frame, and some custom decals to apply. The product has its own thinner and once properly mixed, you can apply it directly over any kind of plastic. Tip: If you notice air bubbles beneath your decal once it is dry, use a pin to prick small holes in it. Vinyl decals were never intended to have a clear coat put on top, as far as I can discover within product specifications. Water-slide decals are great for guitar logos. The only problem I ever had was clear spraying the self sticking decals , when the lacquer got underneath the decal where it hadnt sat flush , and lifted it. Lacquer over decals? For the finish I'm thinking of a stain and then applying a vinyl decal to the outside and then sealing it with a … If you're going to lacquer over the decals, you need to leave them for as long as possible after applying. The final clear coat can be whatever you want to use for the over all look you are wanting to achieve. Vinyl decals were never intended to have a clear coat put on top, as far as I can discover within product specifications. ... of the decal. I have read also the decal can be sealed using lacquer instead of the acrylic sealer, can butyrate clear be applied over the lacquer when sealing the decals on the plane? Very, very important is that the first couple of coats should be incredibly light. I've never known anyone who uses Krylon or Rust-o-leum on their models and wouldn't recommend them in the first place. Not only does it broaden your crafting abilities, it is very user friendly. Cycling buddy has a car body shop so he done the prep/lacquer .. Was quoted £75 from another local body shop when I started looking.. Worth the money for a quality job and frame looks mint after 9 months of abuse 🙂, mainly depends on the make up of the decals, if they are a single colour cut vinyl there is no need to clear coat them, this should be the same quality as Automotive vinyl, used for vehicle liveries and should be good for at least 3-5 years, you can tell if the reverse of the decal is the same colour as the front “pre-coloured” vinyl, if they are a solvent print onto a white media base and the bike will see regular use its worth clear coating the frame, just watch how it’s cured, in most cases don’t oven bake the frame to cure the clear coat, the very high and then low temperatures expand and contract the vinyl and cause cracks around the edge of the decal, if you use a 2 pack or air dry lacquer you should be fine, but always best to do a test if possible or talk to your painter, other option is request the decals have a laminate after print, ideal for large “wrap” decals but not really for small individual decals, if you have some “unique” decals always worth getting a scan before fitting, just in case you need a second set. Contact Us This makes the decal "flow" into the finish. I’m in a similar situation with a frame I’ve just had resprayed. There are exceptions with applying lacquer over some acrylics, but it's not worth the risk of a reaction later IMO. I always let decals dry overnight, if not a … Any thoughts or experience of doing this? A test run on an old fork with an extra vinyl sticker I had worked fine. Road safety products,traffic signs,stickers & decals,Engraved signs,safety sign boards warning boards,vinyl stickers,can Customised according to your requirment,retro reflective boards,reflective boards,Modular curved framed technology,Vista system,3M products,Cash on delivery,,, …. It is easier using lacquer out of a can instead of prepping to spray the butyrate using my airbrush to seal the decal. , Today we’re going to show you three different methods. Should I apply lacquer over the top of the decals, or not bother? Dab any excess softener with paper towel. 5 to 10 minutes between coats. When the tanks come to me they don't have decals on, I pinstripe them and send them off to the decal department. These craft style decals are far more common than silkscreened logos these days. When that dries, I spray a couple of very light coats over the entire decal. Think I’m going to apply the decals then cover the lot in Helitape or similar, seems the simplest option to me. The decals are applied directly over the glossy cured clear to ensure maximum adhesion and then the entire tank is scuffed before re-clearing. Thickish, so have a distinct edge to them. Custom Decals:(Water Slide-Off Decals) Decorating on your Fine China, Glass, Earthenware, Enamel, Porcelain and Stainless Products, And the following raw materials for Decal Printing ; Please refer to the following items' Number(*) & Use (For); - COATING (Covrecoat,Over Print Lacquer): Pretty much have to do the whole frame to get it to lock right. 1/ Once the surface of the headstock is prepared remove the protective tissue over the Decal and trim the Decal as required – there is picture showing trimming a logo below. Can use a chemical striper like Jasco (not sure what the equivalent is here in the UK) or sandpaper. It is possible to scalpel-cut around a lacquered decal and cut it out,done this my self. Classifieds Rules Or, if you do it just right, enough of the solvent will evaporate before it dissolves the acrylic, while not so much that you get a rough finish. My finger is hovering over the nozzle of a can of lacquer, but I can’t bring myself to spray the frame. When that dries, I spray a couple of very light coats over the entire decal. Two coats of clear shellac fully dried, then nitro over that. Then Dullcote after the Glosscote dries. Once dry, I take my airbrush with clear dope and very lightly spray the edges of the decal. DO NOT spray on a heavy coat over the … 9. When applying the lacquer start off with a "dry coat" to seal Do I recommend it? Hey all, I'm working on a project for a portable serving table for booze. One project had lacquer sprayed over top, the other didn't. Just enough build to be able to sand back flat. I am planning to lacquer over the table to protect the wood. I always let decals dry overnight, if not a couple days. It could be difficult to build up enough thickness to "cover up" the vinyl to the point where you don't notice a bump where the vinyl starts. For my first attempt I used polyester over a vinyl decal, and the table looked great for about two months. There will be a base coat of white paint and over top of that I want to add a sticker because the design would be very difficult to paint by hand. Post subject: Shellac over decals? I don’t like to apply the decal to bare wood so a few coats of lacquer are needed. Matt finish frame .. Low sheen laquer applied over frame/decals no issues .. Tatty decals look rubbish 🙁. This does take a long time but the end results are worth it. Waiting 1 hour is sufficient in this situation. I assume based on my experience that the decals will last as long as they are supposed to, or longer, because of having a coat of clear paint or lacquer applied over them. Is it possible to apply decals over a powder coated paint finish and then lacquer on top? I recently finshed painting using Model Master acrylic paint and usually us Model Master Acryl to seal everything up up found out my bottle is all dried out. Recently I'm struggling with wrinkles of decals when I spray a clear lacquer coat over. We make them as thin and fine as possible, but the result of this is they don't have any real strength to stand up to daily wear. Does anyone know if the lacquer paint will affect the decals? These are vinyl decals. 10. to key the surface of the decal, this will damage the printing. Cart 0 Product Products ... PU retains it finish over prolonged exposures to UV. Dab any excess softener with paper towel. Removing decal too soon: to avoid this, test your decal before removing it from the water. When in doubt - TEST. The first body i noticed if the lacquer / clear went on too thick it seemed to react and almost bubble the decals. Now paint over the decal with decal solution before pressing down on it with a moist paper towel. I think we have similar frames plus one, although mine is the cantilever version. Then you can put the lacquer of choice on it - never used Minwax, but Deft is good, and also the stuff they sell at Lowe's (that I can't remember at the moment) is very good. At this point I must say that the best primer I've ever used it's called VARIPRIMER and it's made by DuPont. Seeing as the bike was going to see lots of mud/filth I reckoned this would be my best option .. Clear coating helps to protect the decal from peeling, cracking or sustaining other damage from exposure to the elements. To seal the decal completely, you can now apply a thin layer of varnish or Klear and allow it to dry. Hold the neck away from your spray can or … You're safest that way! Even the guy that made the decal likely isn't 100% sure what materials are used in the papers he is printing on. lacquer over our motorcycle decals do not use any abrasives like Scotchbright pads etc. Also did the same thing with poly. The clear coat it's decanted from a spray can. I was wondering if the sticker would hold if I put a layer of lacquer over top of it? Brush decal softener onto the decal. Bikes like Orange*/Cove use decals over paint finish so you can change graphics whenever you like. PU Matt and Glossy finishes for wood. Over decals I use gloss coat 1st, to give a little thicker layer to blend any decal film that might be visible. 2/ Next place the Decal in a shallow bowl of Luke warm water (not hot - otherwise you end up … Only spray lacquer should be used over the decal once it is applied. Lacquer over enamel...if the lacquer goes on too thick, ... Spray another gloss over the colors, decal, gloss over the decals and proceed with weathering. Then the polyester clear coat started pulling away from the decal. It is better to apply 3-4 thin coats with an interval of 10 minutes rather than one heavy continuous coat of paint. His main concern was that he did not want to feel the decal, so I had to bury it in the finish. The Singletrackworld.com Mountain Bike Quiz of 2020, Top 10 Singletrack Podcast episodes of 2020, This topic has 10 replies, 6 voices, and was last updated. Joined: Nov 10, 2010 Location: North Carolina. The decal has a thickness and you are spraying the same coat of lacquer over the whole of the headstock face so it will still show raised. Use very fine grit paper to smooth it down … With a few materials and a little of your time, you can clear-coat decals yourself. The other thing is decal thickness. Thanks for all the replies. You must first apply 2-3 very thin mist coats over the decal; allowing it to dry each time. Fixing dodgy decals could be way easier than fixing dodgy lacquering, which will be extremely easy to do…. I’m in “no lacquer” camp,seen some horrible sights post crash where decals torn-up through lacquer,so to fix you have to have it refinished. Depress the spray button firmly with steady even strokes while moving can back and forth over the surface to be painted. Maybe ask a vinyl lettering company make you up some new ones?